I meant Mt Zion had more emphasis on dance, I was going for a group everyone knows has one aspect specifically better. , not deliberately (I think). But I still think they sound really good regardless of maturity.
OK, I though I really like MTZ, I disagree with i_can't_sing. While their vocals may have improved(from what I hear!!!!!) I definitely think they have a bigger emphasis on choreography in their shows. That being said, WAY TO GO MTZ!!!! .
Kids, I was just wondering, what if their had been some other big name choirs at Onalaska. For example, Dekalb, Lafayette Jefferson, or even Clinton . It's hard to fathom what the outcome would've been had any of these choirs went to Onalaska. Anyway, it was just something I was thinking about. Any thoughts " border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> ???????
hey guys.. though im not from the midwest.. i would really love to watch the finalist groups at onalaska.. w/ hilltoppers as well.. i wanna have an idea of what we're competing against at FAME new york.. so please PM me or email me if you have a video of them..
The definition of 'show' isn't dance. The definition of Choir DOES have to do with singing...
show= visual, choir=singing (chords) i'm not seeing a lot of chords floating around in the air as I watch the "show" unless somebody is high, then thats an exeption.
my point, show is based on the choreography part mainly, but includes vocals, but its not thought of as much since you can't have a show, if you close your eyes, just like you can't have a choir if you plug your ears. they should be equal in the scoring...50/50
jacobo12345 is right . . . Westside got the top vocal score after preliminaries. unfortunately, do to some factors beyond their control and some within, their choreography score was low enough to keep them out of finals. buffalo grove and franklin central . . . i'm sorry, but you didn't deserve to be in finals. buffalo, i kept getting bored in the middle of your songs, and fc did not have the diction to back up their singing. the cookie song was way cute, but the diction was muddy and they had so many props it got kind of distracting. teays valley and urbandale should have replaced them in the finals. westside has a lot of potential . . . we'll see how they do later in the year. more people ought to pay attention to this up and coming group.
This is why I think MTZ maybe shouldn't have won. Their vocals weren't as good as GCS, and it's been brought up that it's because their choreography was so demanding. That very well could be true. But take a look at what we are: Show Choirs. I think that vocals should always come first in a show choir.
i think its funny, i dont necessarily disagree but did you see the first part of the term......
Showchoir........
Don't start it again, I hate this debate. It is just a term, some people dance better, some sing better, some have a good package, or lightly weigh one over the other (ie Mt Zion).
not to mention he's got such an awesome view on the whole show choir thing. it's about the experience, not the winning. i mean, if you love what you're doing, and you do it well, you will place well. but it shouldn't be the other way around, and he let's us know that. it's just a fun environment when we have practice with him.
This is why I think MTZ maybe shouldn't have won. Their vocals weren't as good as GCS, and it's been brought up that it's because their choreography was so demanding. That very well could be true. But take a look at what we are: Show Choirs. I think that vocals should always come first in a show choir.
i think its funny, i dont necessarily disagree but did you see the first part of the term......
Dvegas... I actually stole that from our Director Mr. Warren... but our Choreographer Andrew Kao agrees... that's why we always really focus on vocals. My director actually told us that if we need to stand still for the entire set to get the vocals right, we would...lol
think he'll make us do it, benny? just kidding! but i agree that vocals can't suffer for the sake of choreography. that just defeats the whole purpose of show choir. like someone already said, it's about finding that equilibrium point where both vocals and choreo are at their max w/o compromising one for the other. those are the groups that i believe should go far. and that's not to say that they have to be "typical," you can be "cutting edge show choir" (if that makes sense) and still have the best of both worlds in terms of sound and visuals. that being said: i think Totino should have won Onalaska because they had just that, balance. not to mention the entertainment factor they definitely had going for them.
teays- what did i till you. and anything can happen at onalaska. including some wierd ass placements. well i didnt enjoy the show. i hate your vocals, too much vibrato for me, but it was good. the dancing was boring, i am not a big contemperary andy fan so sorry. and i hated the closing costumes. i personally fell that you all should have stayed to watch. it is an experience.
Dvegas... I actually stole that from our Director Mr. Warren... but our Choreographer Andrew Kao agrees... that's why we always really focus on vocals. My director actually told us that if we need to stand still for the entire set to get the vocals right, we would...lol
915, I agree with the first part of what you said and disagree with the second part in a way. Choreo does keep things fresh and new, but by adding awesome vocals it opens up many other things to you. Any group can scream at the top of their lungs, but when you get to things like extremely soft dynamics that you have to sit on the edge of your seat to barely hear or huge chords with great harmonies that send chills up and down your spine. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a chill from watching a group do choreography. I mean I get excited to watch it, but when they sing (example, ballads) and the climax of the song comes or they hit a huge jazz chord or an unusual chord, or just one that rings for me (and stays in tune haha) I get chills, and those are the kinds of things that make a show for me. To me choreography is a way of adding to the vocals. When you have choreography, it's usually going with what the vocals are doing at that point. I don’t know of many groups who learn a bunch of choreography and do it exactly how they learned it and put it to music. Usually if they do that, the have to change the choreography in some way to match the rhythms. That’s why I find music to be more of a basis.
if the crowd chose the winner it would be a show with new entertaining stuff.
i like the groups who arn't afraid to do things that nobody else does, but once that is done you know its only a matter of time till everybody else does it. this is my movement to keep show choir new, fresh, and exciting.
Dvegas... I actually stole that from our Director Mr. Warren... but our Choreographer Andrew Kao agrees... that's why we always really focus on vocals. My director actually told us that if we need to stand still for the entire set to get the vocals right, we would...lol
SHOW choir, it should be a mix of both, however show choir is also opinionated. its based on a judges liking a certain style. and the judges at onalaska loved the classical, and in my OPINION, boring stuff. thats why the finalists were who they were. does anyone want to contest this? you would be a fool too. besides if the crowd chose the winner it would be a show with new entertaining stuff.
i like the groups who arn't afraid to do things that nobody else does, but once that is done you know its only a matter of time till everybody else does it. this is my movement to keep show choir new, fresh, and exciting.
Onalaska Show Choir Classic 2004
, not deliberately (I think). But I still think they sound really good regardless of maturity.
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. It's hard to fathom what the outcome would've been had any of these choirs went to Onalaska. Anyway, it was just something I was thinking about. Any thoughts 
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It's funny.
I totally agree with you! Some groups get so wrapped up in these amazingly difficult dances and it takes away from the show as a whole.