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thanks for clarifying... this IS what I meant. Not that it adds difficulty t ovocals or choreography, but that it adds overall difficulty to a show and to set- up and take-down
what is the percentage of actual singer/dancers who set up the backdrops? I guess I just tend to see stagehands, parents and crew do it. so in that situation it doesn't add to the difficulty.
and that adds another question. in the case that a backdrop which will affect scoring is used should the crew be all students of the high school? i know this isn't always true in indiana, but in iowa there is only one non-high schooler allowed in the band (which is scored) any more than that one director and the band is DQ'd. Should it be the same for the crew? If I have twenty 40-year old men setting up my backdrop that is for sure not adding to the difficulty of the show as the performers aren't even using it. and that entire part of the show is not even executed by high schoolers. idk if y'all even understand what i'm saying, but it kinda makes sense in my brain lol. it just seems unfair to me if the crew really is doing that much to impact the show, and then they are all adults.
why does waubonsie valley have lime green suits. or why does albertville have zebra and tiger print suits for their closing outfits? why do we care about costumes at all? it should be about talent on the stage. and keep in mind not all schools and programs have the money to buy extravagant costumes. and dont think im bashing waubonsie or albertville at all for their costumes. i love both of their shows. they are awesome.
I definitely agree with this.
But I have to ask, because I could have sworn they were similar - are they Clinton's jackets from last year's closer or do they just look very alike? Whatever it was, I think it looked fine. haha.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I loved Cry Me a River. Pretty awesome.
CenterStage! had almost the same costumes back in '06. Jeans, white dress shirt with a black velvet jacket. CenSations did that last year also... Its not so uncommon, TCSinger.
BTW, jdonaldson, no tiger print involved. lol
haha. okay i was going on memory and i was thinking about that overcoat/jacket the guys wear at the very end. the orange one. haha.
Hey TaylorB, I didn't even know Albertville had actually gotten a time penalty when I made that post, in fact it was posted on here they didn't. I had posted earlier that I wouldn't be supprised if they had a problem. So there was no way for me to know what the situation was at the time, but thanks for the information.
I enjoy time limits and being able to leave the contest site before the sun comes up. Even with time limits, I don't think I've been to a contest that stayed on schedule all night in years, if ever.
I've been to contests that didn't get thru before 1am that had a time penalty. So it's possible to get behind on time with or without a penalty. I just think it adds extra stress that is not needed right before the group is about to take the stage. On the other hand I also enjoy getting home before the sun comes up. We didn't use a time penalty per say this year at West Jones and yet the only delay was a problem something to do with solo scores, and things still finished pretty much on time. I guess my point is a time penalty isn't always the answer to keep things running on time.
Most judges won't fault a choir for having modest costumes, but costuming is an essential part of show design. We still see the occasional choir trying to do say 50s doo-wop or country-western for example while still wearing the traditional sparkling cocktail dresses and suits; it doesn't work. Extravagance isn't required, but whatever is placed on stage should be relevant to the whole.
Most judges won't fault a choir for having modest costumes, but costuming is an essential part of show design. We still see the occasional choir trying to do say 50s doo-wop or country-western for example while still wearing the traditional sparkling cocktail dresses and suits; it doesn't work. Extravagance isn't required, but whatever is placed on stage should be relevant to the whole.
why does waubonsie valley have lime green suits. or why does albertville have zebra and tiger print suits for their closing outfits? why do we care about costumes at all? it should be about talent on the stage. and keep in mind not all schools and programs have the money to buy extravagant costumes. and dont think im bashing waubonsie or albertville at all for their costumes. i love both of their shows. they are awesome.
CenterStage! had almost the same costumes back in '06. Jeans, white dress shirt with a black velvet jacket. CenSations did that last year also... Its not so uncommon, TCSinger.
Enterprise's guy's costumes, I don't know what to say. White polos, popped collar, purple jacket and denim jeans. I hate to point out negative things, but I have no idea what the story behind that is.
why does waubonsie valley have lime green suits. or why does albertville have zebra and tiger print suits for their closing outfits? why do we care about costumes at all? it should be about talent on the stage. and keep in mind not all schools and programs have the money to buy extravagant costumes. and dont think im bashing waubonsie or albertville at all for their costumes. i love both of their shows. they are awesome.
Im not sure Scotty worded this right Julio... does a backdrop add to the level of difficulty to perform a show in termsof vocals, chore, etc? No, not in my opinion, execute it??? maybe and I have worked with many groups of the years with or without a backdrop. Having said that, I do believe that having a backdrop definately makes a show harder to pull off overall sometimes. Not that it does (and shouldnt) ever affect vocals, choreo, band, etc.) but think of a backdrop, or props like a costume change. Some groups have them, and some don't. A group that decides to have elaborate costume changes definately adds a level of difficulty to their show, there is the risk of people not making it out, something going wrong with an on stage change, someone's boob falling out cause the velcro for the quick change didnt hold ;) etc etc etc...now groups that dont pull off their costume changes effective usually dont score well in costuming, or transitions, etc. So while group A had one costume change, and group B had 3 or 4...group B added to the level of difficulty to pull off their show than group A.
Same can be said for backdrops now, group A has nothing for a backdrop...fine, lots of groups don't. Group B has an elaborate backdrop, and has to fine tune the setting up, the tearing down, sometimes incorporating the backdrop in the show with turning panels, fabric changes, lights, etc then yes group B has added to the difficulty of executing their show. Group B has made the decision to use a backdrop, which can really add to the overall effect of the show, or take away if not executed correctly or in a timely manner (for those comps that time groups). It's also a huge risk that a school takes when using them in their show!
I personally think backdrops are great, they add something special to a show, but i also think that if you are going to do one, then you have got to be smart about how to execute them, and be sure that it can be done in a timely manner. Now some comps dont time the set up part, and you see people (stage crew, parents, etc) setting up for like 10 minutes before the show at times...those groups are lucky those comps dont time for that always, but sometimes the set up and tear down can be a bit much for my taste. however, thats not to say it didnt add to the show!
On a personal note, I love Albertville's show (saw it at South Jones) and was SHOCKED they weren't in finals @ Wheaton, but I havent seen all of the groups that performed at Wheatton, so I wont say who shouldnt have made it- cause thats not fair. Anyways, I hope this helps lay out the issue being talked about... if not, then I should never start writing a post 5 mins after waking up ever again!
thanks for clarifying... this IS what I meant. Not that it adds difficulty t ovocals or choreography, but that it adds overall difficulty to a show and to set- up and take-down
I think that time limits are very important to the smoothness of a competition. Each choir strives to be able to do the show in under 25 minutes every time they do it. Some choirs, like us, choose to make it more complicated for us by having a huge set to set up and take down in our allotted time. Other choirs dont. I personally enjoy seeing choirs that incorperate backdrops into their show somehow like Petal Soundsations 2009 (2:50-3:10). That's just my preferace. I believe that it adds a level of difficulty to the performance if a choir takes advantage of the space provided instead of just doing a show with a blank stage.
again, just my opinion...
QUOTE (juliofrommississippi @ Mar 17 2010, 05:26 AM)
I'm sorry. How does having a backdrop add to the difficulty of the performance/show? In my opinion it is one very easy way to have things go wrong. You spend all this time working on your technical issues instead of focusing on cleaning and working on vocals.
Im not sure Scotty worded this right Julio... does a backdrop add to the level of difficulty to perform a show in termsof vocals, chore, etc? No, not in my opinion, execute it??? maybe and I have worked with many groups of the years with or without a backdrop. Having said that, I do believe that having a backdrop definately makes a show harder to pull off overall sometimes. Not that it does (and shouldnt) ever affect vocals, choreo, band, etc.) but think of a backdrop, or props like a costume change. Some groups have them, and some don't. A group that decides to have elaborate costume changes definately adds a level of difficulty to their show, there is the risk of people not making it out, something going wrong with an on stage change, someone's boob falling out cause the velcro for the quick change didnt hold ;) etc etc etc...now groups that dont pull off their costume changes effective usually dont score well in costuming, or transitions, etc. So while group A had one costume change, and group B had 3 or 4...group B added to the level of difficulty to pull off their show than group A.
Same can be said for backdrops now, group A has nothing for a backdrop...fine, lots of groups don't. Group B has an elaborate backdrop, and has to fine tune the setting up, the tearing down, sometimes incorporating the backdrop in the show with turning panels, fabric changes, lights, etc then yes group B has added to the difficulty of executing their show. Group B has made the decision to use a backdrop, which can really add to the overall effect of the show, or take away if not executed correctly or in a timely manner (for those comps that time groups). It's also a huge risk that a school takes when using them in their show!
I personally think backdrops are great, they add something special to a show, but i also think that if you are going to do one, then you have got to be smart about how to execute them, and be sure that it can be done in a timely manner. Now some comps dont time the set up part, and you see people (stage crew, parents, etc) setting up for like 10 minutes before the show at times...those groups are lucky those comps dont time for that always, but sometimes the set up and tear down can be a bit much for my taste. however, thats not to say it didnt add to the show!
On a personal note, I love Albertville's show (saw it at South Jones) and was SHOCKED they weren't in finals @ Wheaton, but I havent seen all of the groups that performed at Wheatton, so I wont say who shouldnt have made it- cause thats not fair. Anyways, I hope this helps lay out the issue being talked about... if not, then I should never start writing a post 5 mins after waking up ever again!
I think that time limits are very important to the smoothness of a competition. Each choir strives to be able to do the show in under 25 minutes every time they do it. Some choirs, like us, choose to make it more complicated for us by having a huge set to set up and take down in our allotted time. Other choirs dont. I personally enjoy seeing choirs that incorperate backdrops into their show somehow like Petal Soundsations 2009 (2:50-3:10). That's just my preferace. I believe that it adds a level of difficulty to the performance if a choir takes advantage of the space provided instead of just doing a show with a blank stage.
again, just my opinion...
I'm sorry. How does having a backdrop add to the difficulty of the performance/show? In my opinion it is one very easy way to have things go wrong. You spend all this time working on your technical issues instead of focusing on cleaning and working on vocals.
Albertville still wouldn't have made finals even if they didn't get a time penalty. The penalty was only 10 points and they were out by more than that. Directors know beforehand what the rules are, or should know, and do something about it
Well we didnt feel we had to make any changes because during the week of practice leading up to the comp we ALWAYS got under 25 min and at one run through we got 23:47 or something like that so we thought we were in good position but you know crap happens.
I enjoy time limits and being able to leave the contest site before the sun comes up. Even with time limits, I don't think I've been to a contest that stayed on schedule all night in years, if ever.
I think that time limits are very important to the smoothness of a competition. Each choir strives to be able to do the show in under 25 minutes every time they do it. Some choirs, like us, choose to make it more complicated for us by having a huge set to set up and take down in our allotted time. Other choirs dont. I personally enjoy seeing choirs that incorperate backdrops into their show somehow like Petal Soundsations 2009 (2:50-3:10). That's just my preferace. I believe that it adds a level of difficulty to the performance if a choir takes advantage of the space provided instead of just doing a show with a blank stage.
I enjoy time limits and being able to leave the contest site before the sun comes up. Even with time limits, I don't think I've been to a contest that stayed on schedule all night in years, if ever.
agreed. but we do love our set, no matter how big it is, or how much a living h*** it is to put up lol. It seems so much more complicated then it is, but it is like more than 25-30 pieces of heavy wood and metal. the backdrop itself is incredible lol. But all that aside we love the set and we work really hard on getting on and off stage on time, unfortunately it didnt happen this weekend, but It's ok we had an amazing time no matter what!!
I saw your guys set in the large prop room and knew that you guys were gonna struggle with the time limit. Also knew that Troy was going to be fighting that same battle.
Time limits need to be enforced in order for them to be successful. Every competition is going to be behind, but if there are no time limits, that can cause competitions to stretch on to hours upon hours behind schedule. I know we put a time limit rule in at Great River after 2007 because a certain group had put us a near two hours behind schedule. Ultimately it's up to the hosts to get their group to their centers and warm-ups and on and on for a comp to run really close to schedule, but I do believe time limits help
Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2010
