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  Show Choir Community    Events    2024 Season    Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2024


Event Info



March 8th-9th, 2024


Venue Info

Wheaton Warrenville South High School
1993 Tiger Trl
Wheaton, IL 60189

Phone: (630) 784-7200

Event Details

No. of Attending Choirs:

  15 Mixed Groups
  8 Treble Groups
  2 Bass Groups
  9 Middle School Groups

Hosts:

  Wheaton Warrenville South "The Classics"
  Wheaton Warrenville South "Esprit"

Judges:

  Connor See (Friday)

  Judy Hanson (Friday)

  Jeff Gemar (Friday/Saturday)

  Bob Anderson

  Mike Weaver

  Ly Wilder

  Linda McEachran Southard


Tickets

Friday:
$15 - Adults
$12 - Students

Saturday
$20 - Adults
$17 - Students

All Weekend Pass:
$30- Adults
$20 - Students

Children under five are free.

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Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2024









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In Exhibition
 

Groups in order of performance
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 Hubble Middle School
5:15 PM 
 Electric Youth

 Edison Middle School
9:10 PM 


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Choirshow on Feb 21, 2024, 1:18 AM
Post #36
+8
Let's be brave

Mixed Division Predictions:
GC: Los Alamitos (BV, BC)
2nd- Center Grove
3rd- Lincoln Southwest
4th- Zionsville
5th- Broken Arrow
6th- Mitchell
7th- Mt Zion
8th- El Paso-Gridley
9th- Waubonsie Valley
10th- Pleasant Hill
11th- Lincoln Southwest (Prep)
12th- Twin Lakes
13th- Broken Arrow (Prep)
14th- Watseka
15th- Pleasant Hill (Prep)

Single Clef Predictions:
GC: Center Grove (BV)
2nd- Los Alamitos (BC)
3rd- Zionsville
4th- Mt Zion (Treble)
5th- Broken Arrow
6th- Pleasant Hill (Treble)
7th- El Paso-Gridley
8th- Mt Zion (Bass)
9th- Waubonsie Valley
10th- Pleasant Hill (Bass)

That was terrifying



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Gabrielcastaneda_ on Feb 21, 2024, 2:04 PM
Post #47
 
CG and FX are going to be close but tbh there are a lot of groups who can totally sweep in and take GC


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Choirshow 11 hours ago
Post #97
+2
After seeing more shows and more comp results here are my final predictions.

Mixed Division:
GC- Center Grove (BV) (BC)
2nd- Los Alamitos
3rd- Zionsville
4th- Mitchell
5th- Lincoln Southwest
6th- Broken Arrow
7th- Mt Zion
8th- El Paso Gridley
9th- Waubonsie Valley
10th- Pleasant Hill
11th- Lincoln Southwest (Prep)
12th- Twin Lakes
13th- Watseka
14th- Pleasant Hill (Prep)

Single Clef:
GC- Center Grove (BV) (BC)
2nd- Zionsville
3rd- Los Alamitos
4th- Mt Zion (Treble)
5th- Broken Arrow (Treble)
6th- El Paso-Gridley
7th- Broken Arrow (Freshman?!?!? Prep?!?!? Idk)
8th- Pleasant Hill (Treble)
9th- Mt Zion (Bass)
10th- Waubonsie Valley
11th- Pleasant Hill (Bass)

A lot can change within a week. At this moment this is how I think will play out. For everyone that is attending, have fun! This is going to be an awesome competition, barring the time penalties that might happen.



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Gabrielcastaneda_ 5 minutes ago
Post #98
+1
After seeing Los Al’s show on the Burbank Instagram and the fact that it was half a point between them and ph I think Los Al takes it here



Häakon 13 hours ago
Post #96
 
Some schedule updates have been made above. Additionally, Broken Arrow's Freshman choir will now be competing with the single clef choirs.



singingwithglasses Wednesday at 8:20 PM
Post #89
+3
I was able to view Zionsville's show over at Plainfield a few weeks back, and I must say I was quite impressed with their visuals in particular. They were always a favorite of mine back in high school, and whilst they have disappointed me a bit these last few years, this year is different. This has to be the best visual group I have seen from Zionsville, and while vocals are not quite pre-pandemic level, they are definitely headed in the right direction. I can definitely see them snipping at the heels of CG at this event, and I cannot wait to see how they perform here! Now do I think they will take down Center Grove and Los Alamitos? Probably not. However this group of singers seem hungry to win and with the type of show they have this year, they definitely have the ability to cut down some grass. Im pretty confident in my prediction of Los Alamitos, Center Grove, and Zionsville taking those top 3 spots, but when it comes down to the content these groups produce, it is all just so different.

Does anyone by chance know the judging roster for this competition?



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Millz122 Friday at 5:24 PM
Post #90
+1
Jeff Gemar, Linda Southard, Eric Van Cleave, Mike Weaver, Ly Wilder


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Swim14swim 1 day ago
Post #91
+2
EVC is not a judge at Choral Classic. Here are the judges:

Friday Judges (Middle School)
Jeff Gemar
Connor See
Judy Hanson

Saturday Judges (High School)
Bob Anderson
Jeff Gemar
Linda Southard
Mike Weaver
Ly Wilder



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Ateamleader 20 hours ago
Post #95
 
Bob Anderson also judge

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Swim14swim 1 day ago
Post #94
 
Update to Friday Performance Times:

• Ft. Atkinson 4th Street Singers 7:30 PM CT
• Mt. Zion Sound System 7:55 PM CT


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Swim14swim 1 day ago
Post #93
 
Ticket prices are:

• Friday Night: $15 general admission, $12 for Students with ID, and free for children under 5. Doors open 4:30 PM CT.. 2 Exhibition performances start at 5:15 PM CT.
• Saturday All Day Pass is $20 general admission, $17 for Students with ID, and Children under 5 are free. Doors open 7:00 AM CT. Performances start at 7:30 AM CT.
• Weekend Pass for $30 ($20 for students).

There will be a live stream on Friday and Saturday listed on this site and www.wwsshowchoirs.org.


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Swim14swim 1 day ago
Post #92
 
Saturday Updated Performance Times:

• Broken Arrow Momentum (should be Single Clef division) 8:20 AM
• Mt. Zion Les Femmes 11:25 AM
• Broken Arrow Mystique: 11:50 AM
• Watseka Sensations 1:15 PM
• Lincoln Southwest Ambience 1:40 PM
• Twin Lakes Sound Wave 2:05 PM
• Pleasant Hill Hillsound 2:50 PM

All other performances are unchanged.




jdcritt Tuesday at 2:36 AM
Post #86
+1
Just a small procedural question here: for the predictions, are we predicting the four mixed finalists followed by the top two women’s groups? Similar to how a comp with no finals is Tier I followed by Tier II.




Jeff. Tuesday at 2:37 PM
Post #87
+4
As for the "Predictions" feature up above, it will only register the mixed finals. So if you're trying to "win" the Predictions, you will want to predict your top 4 mixed groups with BV/BC... and then I think you'll have the slight safety net of adding a 5th/6th place mixed group. I'm not entirely sure, that safety net may give you leeway to count toward the "Correct Groups" category, but obviously not toward the "Correct Placements" category. Either way, you're prioritizing predicting the 1st-4th placements with correctly assigned captions for maximum points. The final Predictions Awards page that shows results, for Wheaton, will just have ?/4 Correct Groups, ?/4 Correct Placements, and ?/2 Correct Captions.

From what I can tell, the Predictions feature does cascade from a "Finals" division with less than 6 groups to a "Finals Tier II" division, but does not cascade from "Finals" to "Treble Finals". That's just based on what I could see from comps that have multiple finals divisions like that with Winfield's Emerald Classic and Pike's MusicFest. For comps without finals, it does cascade from Mixed Tier I to Mixed Tier II. I'm not sure how extensive the coding is or if everything I said is spot on, but that seems to be how Predictions are working on the other event pages. Häakon can pull back the curtain and clarify/explain more.





Häakon Tuesday at 3:16 PM
Post #88
+3
This is all correct. And just for the record, the coding is extremely extensive.



stevesing85 Tuesday at 1:33 AM
Post #85
+1
Who are the judges?



stevesing85 Tuesday at 1:32 AM
Post #84
+3
At some point you have to turn some groups away, right?

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joechoir on Feb 21, 2024, 9:48 AM
Post #37
+7
Almost wonder if they should put treble on Friday…. Jeez what a ridiculous line up. 25 min time slots for each group means, basically, 5 min set-up/tear down time correct?




Jeff. on Feb 21, 2024, 11:56 AM
Post #38
+6
It's an ambitious schedule to say the least. I think just as compelling as predictions for finals might be predictions for when awards are actually handed out.




jdcritt on Feb 21, 2024, 12:59 PM
Post #39
+3
Five minutes total for both (really 2.5 minute setup if you’re doing a 20 minute show). In all likeliness, Los Al has a back truss plus light towers to set up, Mt. Zion changes the riser formation, Center Grove and Mitchell both stack on top of existing risers. Unless those choirs do 15 minute shows, there’s virtually no way all of that happens in twenty-five minutes. I’ll place my prediction for finals awards start time at 1:15AM.


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ShowChoirPowerz on Feb 21, 2024, 1:14 PM
Post #40
+1
It is VERY tight for set up. Almost impossible for the larger sets. Does anyone know if time penalties will apply?




jdcritt on Feb 21, 2024, 1:25 PM
Post #41
+5
I’d imagine they do in prelims, but not finals. In 2016, Burroughs didn’t use their set on stage in prelims, and then setup the lights, holograms, back truss, etc. for finals. You can still watch the livestream from that year. Watching them set up was cool just seeing how much goes into a production of that scale.


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ShowChoirPowerz on Feb 21, 2024, 1:52 PM
Post #43
 
Oh that's really interesting! I didn't know there would be different criteria for prelims vs. finals. But let's hope that is the case this year! And I guess the moral of the story if you are going to be there is to grab some caffeine and stay for finals!


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bmkmusic on Feb 21, 2024, 2:02 PM
Post #45
+2
In 2016 and 2019 when we took the NNHS groups there, they did time in prelims AND assess penalties. Not sure if that's still the case, but it was back then. I distinctly remember because in 2016 we were 10 seconds away from a penalty


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Gabrielcastaneda_ on Feb 21, 2024, 2:03 PM
Post #46
 
Maybe they do it on purpose so that they can see if just the vocals choreo and costumes. Describe the show or is the extra needed




jdcritt on Feb 21, 2024, 2:06 PM
Post #49
+1
That was Hotel California. All of the extra stuff really added to their show, but the lights were calibrated for the taller risers, which was evident when the spot on Faydean in the closer missed her by a few feet. Both Burbank and Burroughs used the standard risers when they came here.


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Gabrielcastaneda_ on Feb 21, 2024, 2:08 PM
Post #50
+1
As someone who went to Burroughs and was in choir 2010-2014 is wild to see how crazy the showes get as the years go on


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Gabrielcastaneda_ on Feb 21, 2024, 2:11 PM
Post #52
 
What I remember from what friends told me about 2016 was the drama with the scoring and how it was weird between sound check and powerhouse where soundcheck won


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Gabrielcastaneda_ on Feb 21, 2024, 2:13 PM
Post #53
 
I think the set that stressed me the most for our tech crew would have to be

A new hope or smash





jdcritt on Feb 21, 2024, 2:22 PM
Post #54
 
New Hope with the fireworks would probably be the hardest of your years. Seeing Smash live at Los Al was an experience.


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jasbr235 on Feb 21, 2024, 2:24 PM
Post #55
 
I agree. They need to figure out some kind of alternative. Not to mention that they will need room in the auditorium for everyone AND enough food for the inevitably large amount of people that will be there.


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bmkmusic on Feb 21, 2024, 2:31 PM
Post #57
+3
Both years we were there it got to a place in the afternoon where they weren't admitting students from the participating choirs in the gym to watch and only allowing people with the paid wristbands in. There's no way that doesn't happen again this year. The gym is not big enough for the crowds they draw with their incredible lineups!




juliofrommississippi on Feb 21, 2024, 2:37 PM
Post #58
 
I may be in the minority here, so let me know if/why I'm wrong. Why CAN'T groups set up, perform, and tear down in 25 minutes?


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jasbr235 on Feb 21, 2024, 7:27 PM
Post #59
 
Most competitions allow at least 30 minutes for groups. Due to your average show getting increasingly complicated and lengthy (Los Al, Linn-Mar, Waukee NW), requiring longer set-ups and tear-downs, anything below 30 minutes is below average by most standards.




RonSwanson on Feb 21, 2024, 7:43 PM
Post #60
+3
As a point of reference, in the CA circuit, Tier 1 choirs get 35 minutes in all, including load in, performance, and load out.


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joechoir on Feb 21, 2024, 9:11 PM
Post #62
+1
I think it’s less a matter of “can they do it” and more a matter of “should they have to”. It’s the natural consequence to having 25 groups and finals within a single day. I’m not at all doubting WWS ability to manage the schedule but I think there will be a significant amount of question about timing and if there is a day I’d bet on a time penalty, it would be this comp.




Will. on Feb 21, 2024, 9:23 PM
Post #63
+1


QUOTE

Most competitions allow at least 30 minutes for groups. Due to your average show getting increasingly complicated and lengthy (Los Al, Linn-Mar, Waukee NW), requiring longer set-ups and tear-downs, anything below 30 minutes is below average by most standards.


From my experience on Crew and going through a lot of lineups nationally, this is patently untrue. There are just as many competitions with elite groups giving them 25 minutes to perform as there are competitions giving groups 30.





juliofrommississippi on Feb 23, 2024, 9:07 AM (Edited)
Post #69
+2
I have personally seen Linn-Mar and Waukee NW both perform on 25 minute time slots without making a competition go behind. Others in the area aren't known for their timeliness, but I don't hear complaints about those two.

How many shows are actually 20 minutes nowadays? That's pretty long. Most groups would have more than 5 minutes to set up and tear down.





jdcritt on Feb 23, 2024, 11:43 AM
Post #72
+2
Of the competing groups, Los Al is probably the only one that will be at or near 20. Last year they were at about 19 minutes. Some of them had 15 minute shows (both Indiana groups).

Groups who aren’t here with 20 minute shows that I know of - Homewood, Petal, Auburn, and Oak Mountain. Burroughs last year was 23 minutes.



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Gabrielcastaneda_ on Feb 25, 2024, 4:14 AM
Post #77
 
Burroughs would of gone undefeated last year but time penalties hurt them in the end


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joechoir on Feb 25, 2024, 7:00 AM
Post #78
 
Generally speaking, how severe are time penalties and how do they occur? Obviously I’m sure it’s whether or not they stay within their time slot, but is it like applied the minute they go over?




RonSwanson Sunday at 10:22 PM (Edited)
Post #81
+1


QUOTE

Burroughs would of gone undefeated last year but time penalties hurt them in the end


Not entirely correct. While Burroughs did suffer time penalties at both Hart and Oceanside that caused them to finish 2nd and 3rd, respectively, they also finished 2nd at Burbank with no time penalty.





Häakon Sunday at 10:39 PM
Post #83
+1


QUOTE

Generally speaking, how severe are time penalties and how do they occur? Obviously I’m sure it’s whether or not they stay within their time slot, but is it like applied the minute they go over?


I did a comprehensive breakdown of the way it worked at Oceanside last year in those event comments if you want to read through it, just because there was so much misinformation floating around. Generally, yes, time penalties start right away (otherwise there isn't much point to having a time penalty).



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