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  Show Choir Community    Events    2007 Season    Davenport Great River Show Choir Invitational 2007


Event Info



February 17th, 2007


Venue Info

Adler Theatre
RiverCenter
136 E. 3rd St.
Davenport, IA 52801

Phone: (563)-326-8500

Event Details

No. of Attending Choirs:

  20 Mixed Groups
  2 Treble Groups

Hosts:

  Davenport West "West Connection"
  Davenport Central "Central Singers, Inc."

Judges:

  David Legg

  Heath Weber

  Melissa Stainbrook

  Jarad Voss (Critique)

  Tara Tober (Critique)


Tickets

Ticket prices unknown.

Map



Davenport Great River Show Choir Invitational 2007









Awards
Predictions
Photos
Event Site
Live Stream


Finals
 

Groups

 Happiness, Inc.
 Cedar Rapids Kennedy High School
Grand Champion 
Best Vocals 
Best Female Soloist 

 Momentum
 Cedar Rapids Washington High School
First Runner Up 

 10th Street Edition
 Linn-Mar High School
Second Runner Up 
Best Male Soloist (Diandre Neville) 

 Express
 Troy Buchanan High School
3rd Runner Up 
Best Choreography 

 4th Avenue Jazz Company
 Iowa City High School
4th Runner Up 
Best Band 

 West Side Delegation
 Cedar Rapids Jefferson High School
5th Runner Up 


Mixed Division - Tier I (Prelims)
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Mixed Division - Tier II
 

Groups

 Celebration Co.
 Benton Community High School
First Place 

 Impulse
 Wahlert Catholic High School
Second Place 


Prep Division
 

Groups

 Ovation
 Cedar Rapids Jefferson High School
First Place 
People's Choice 

 Protégé
 Cedar Rapids Kennedy High School
Second Place 

 Soundwave
 Troy Buchanan High School
Third Place 

 In Step
 Linn-Mar High School
4th Place 

 Xcitement
 Xavier High School
5th Place 

 Chanteurs

 Cedar Rapids Kennedy High School
No Placement 

 Vivacé

 Cedar Rapids Washington High School
No Placement 

 City Lights

 Iowa City High School
No Placement 

 Center Stage

 Davenport North High School
No Placement 

 Intuition

 Wahlert Catholic High School
No Placement 

 Jubilation, Inc.

 Benton Community High School
No Placement 


Attending Members

No members signed up for this event.

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Tenorboi18 on Mar 8, 2007, 7:43 PM
Post #301
 
QUOTE(Jorge @ Mar 8 2007, 02:04 PM) [snapback]392838[/snapback]
Yep! Just fifteen bucks!

Sweet!! Thanks Jorge...what would we all do w/o you?!?!?!?




Jorge on Mar 8, 2007, 6:04 PM
Post #300
 
QUOTE(Tenorboi18 @ Mar 8 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]392836[/snapback]
Thank you for the dvd info...i printed the sheet off cuz i plan on ordering a dvd...is there no shipping and handling cost? Just the plain $15 for the finals dvd...no more?



Yep! Just fifteen bucks!


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Tenorboi18 on Mar 8, 2007, 5:51 PM
Post #299
 
QUOTE(UOSCF @ Feb 27 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]389413[/snapback]
Here is a link to the DVD order form from the program:

Great River DVD Order Form
Edit: Picture didn't work so I did a link instead.

Thank you for the dvd info...i printed the sheet off cuz i plan on ordering a dvd...is there no shipping and handling cost? Just the plain $15 for the finals dvd...no more?




MyFlakeIzFrozted on Mar 8, 2007, 5:12 PM
Post #298
 
Thank god... I love to watch the show online. I have the Milton DVD, but that show doesn't compare to the heavily practiced show, we have now.

Thanks Jorge.




Jorge on Mar 8, 2007, 3:13 PM (Edited)
Post #297
 
I received my Great River DVD today. I'll be posting the links to some of the shows when I get them on YouTube. Keep your eyes pealed.

-edit-

Troy and Linn Mar are now posted in the YouTube forums. Kennedy to come.




MJayH1201 on Feb 28, 2007, 7:18 PM (Edited)
Post #296
 
QUOTE(juliofrommississippi @ Feb 28 2007, 05:11 PM) [snapback]389652[/snapback]
Well, let's see who would be in finals based off the Fehr Fair system and just based off rankings:

Kennedy: 1, 2, 3 = 6
Troy: 2, 3, 5 = 10
Jefferson: 3, 4, 7 = 14
Linn-Mar: 1, 7, 9 = 17
IC High: 4, 5, 8 = 17
Washington: 1, 5, 8 = 14
Xavier: 2, 6, 7 = 15
Prairie: 4, 6, 6 = 16
North: 8, 9, 9 = 26

The only things I can decipher based on the Fehr Fair system are:

1st- Kennedy
2nd- Troy
6th- Prairie
9th- North

The rest of the rankings are just all over the place and there's no way we can get a judges concensus on the placings. Here are the placements I got by simply adding up the rankings:

1st- Kennedy
2nd- Troy
3rd- Jefferson
4th- Washington
5th- Xavier
6th- Prairie
7th- IC High
7th (tie)- Linn-Mar
9th- North

There was no way to get a judges consenses on the results and this is why I think the points system works best. Also, with the points system the crowd/SCC favorite, Linn-Mar, makes finals, and using any kind of placings system, it looks like they wouldn't. Then y'all would be mad that they didn't make finals and would STILL complain about the judging at this competition (and others).

BTW- thanks for the video information!





Wouldn't it have been?

1st - Kennedy
2nd - Troy
3rd - Jefferson and Washington
5th - Xavier
6th -Praire

7th - Linn-Mar and IC High
9th - North

But Jay...you are obsessed with Great River and need to move on haha




juliofrommississippi on Feb 28, 2007, 7:11 PM (Edited)
Post #295
 
QUOTE(E @ Feb 23 2007, 10:03 PM) [snapback]387301[/snapback]
Well as we saw here, all three of the judges' daytime sheets were so different from one another. Linn-Mar had a #9, a #7, and a #1. Wash got some medium-to-low scores as well as a #1. Heck, we got a #2 as well as a couple middle scores. I would agree that especially in situations like that, judges' rankings should be used instead of points, so one judge doesn't in effect get a larger share of the outcome than the other judges.


Well, let's see who would be in finals based off the Fehr Fair system and just based off rankings:

Kennedy: 1, 2, 3 = 6
Troy: 2, 3, 5 = 10
Jefferson: 3, 4, 7 = 14
Linn-Mar: 1, 7, 9 = 17
IC High: 4, 5, 8 = 17
Washington: 1, 5, 8 = 14
Xavier: 2, 6, 7 = 15
Prairie: 4, 6, 6 = 16
North: 8, 9, 9 = 26

The only things I can decipher based on the Fehr Fair system are:

1st- Kennedy
2nd- Troy
6th- Prairie
9th- North

The rest of the rankings are just all over the place and there's no way we can get a judges concensus on the placings. Here are the placements I got by simply adding up the rankings:

1st- Kennedy
2nd- Troy
3rd- Jefferson
3rd (tie)- Washington
5th- Xavier
6th- Prairie
7th- IC High
7th (tie)- Linn-Mar
9th- North

There was no way to get a judges consenses on the results and this is why I think the points system works best. Also, with the points system the crowd/SCC favorite, Linn-Mar, makes finals, and using any kind of placings system, it looks like they wouldn't. Then y'all would be mad that they didn't make finals and would STILL complain about the judging at this competition (and others). I don't mean to sound obsessed. I just thought it was interesting when I took a look at it.

BTW- thanks for the video information!




UOSCF on Feb 28, 2007, 1:10 AM (Edited)
Post #294
 
Here is a link to the DVD order form from the program:

Great River DVD Order Form



Edit: Picture didn't work so I did a link instead.


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ana on Feb 27, 2007, 7:28 PM
Post #293
 
For some reason, I really want it to be "Fair Fehr" instead of "Fehr Fair".

I realize that makes no sense, especially when we're talking about it and not writing about it, but nevertheless- I am imploring all of you to change your ways to please me.


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Storm on Feb 27, 2007, 6:54 PM
Post #292
 
Just to provide some context:

Our decision to use the "Fehr Fair" system came about after realizing that at our previous competitions, we had instances where one judge scoring vastly different than the other judges affected the outcome of the event. After extensive discussion with other directors, including David Fehr, I became convinced that what we really want to know from a judging panel is, "what order should these groups finish in." Points are used initially to develop each judge's rankings. The rankings of all judges are then analyzed to determine the final placement of groups. This eliminates the possibility of one judge have undue influence on the outcome of an event, by making each judge's contribution to the result have equal weight.

We used this ranking system in placement of groups and in determining caption awards at our abreviated contest last Saturday. I genuinely believe it is the fairest system out there.

My $.02...




Jorge on Feb 27, 2007, 5:38 PM
Post #291
 
QUOTE(AllTimeLow @ Feb 27 2007, 03:37 PM) [snapback]389137[/snapback]
I can't believe this topic is still "up and running" even after almost 2 weeks.


I can. It was a hot competition with a line-up of high caliber groups.




dscvry on Feb 27, 2007, 5:37 PM
Post #290
 
I can't believe this topic is still "up and running" even after almost 2 weeks.



MJayH1201 on Feb 27, 2007, 5:16 PM (Edited)
Post #289
 
The info is in the program as I recall.....I'd give it to you but I don't have the program with me



juliofrommississippi on Feb 27, 2007, 10:44 AM
Post #288
 
How do we get in contact with the video production company?



juliofrommississippi on Feb 24, 2007, 3:33 PM
Post #287
 
more scoring analysis...

Vocals-

1. Kennedy 445.5
2. Linn-Mar 431
3. Washington 428
4. Iowa City High 421.5
5. Troy 413.5
6. Jefferson 410.5

Movement-

1. Troy 358.5
2. Kennedy 357
3. Washington 351.5
4. Linn-Mar 344.5
5. Jefferson 343
6. Iowa City High 333

Other-

1. Kennedy 356
2. Troy 348.5
3. Linn-Mar 346.5
4. Washington 344.5
5. Iowa City High 340.5
6. Jefferson 338.5

Also,

3 of 5 judges placed Linn-Mar higher than Troy
3 of 5 judges placed Washington higher than Linn-Mar
4 of 5 judges placed Troy higher than Washington

In the vocal category:

2 of 5 judges placed Linn-Mar ahead of Washington
2 of 5 judges placed Washington ahead of Linn-Mar
1 of 5 judges had them tied.
3 of 5 judges placed Washington over Troy
2 of 5 judges had Washington and Troy tied
5 of 5 judges placed Linn-Mar over Troy

In choreography:

3 of 5 judges had Troy ahead of Washington
3 of 5 judges had Washington over Linn-Mar
4 of 5 judges had Troy above Linn-Mar

In "other":

4 of 5 judges placed Troy over Washington
3 of 5 judges placed Troy over Linn-Mar
3 of 5 judges placed Linn-Mar over Washington

In other words... Troy, Linn-Mar, and Washington were extremely close to each other. No judges had the same placings as another, and those three especially had different strengths and weaknesses. Troy was comparatively lacking in vocals, Linn-Mar comparatively lacked in choreography, and Washington was just about the same in all categories.

Btw what is included in this "Other" category??? It sure has a lot of point value for just being "other".




Jorge on Feb 24, 2007, 3:32 AM
Post #286
 
QUOTE(MJayH1201 @ Feb 24 2007, 12:49 AM) [snapback]387353[/snapback]
Random note....

Adam...did you see Matt Jr?

I totally forgot to look for him!


Drat! I didn't look for him either. I'll have to review the DVD once I get it.




MJayH1201 on Feb 24, 2007, 2:49 AM
Post #285
 
Random note....

Adam...did you see Matt Jr?

I totally forgot to look for him!




MJayH1201 on Feb 24, 2007, 2:35 AM
Post #284
 
Yeah well if you look at the points...you see soo many ties or that they were really close together. Just a matter of points from judge to judge the only thing that really stood out though was that Washington had a 10 pt Vocal lead while everything else was pretty close together by placement. It was pretty much like 8 groups all in about the same playing field.



UOSCF on Feb 24, 2007, 12:39 AM
Post #283
 
QUOTE(MJayH1201 @ Feb 23 2007, 10:34 PM) [snapback]387311[/snapback]
Plus rankings don't separate people from being ahead, like I'd rather have a 50 pt lead than a placement.



I would agree that perhaps points tell more about what the judges are thinking than rankings, but the evidence from Great River suggests that the rankings would have just as easily given the Grand championship to the winning choir.

I just felt the judging from this competition was very odd (not wrong, just different), and that is why I have tried to analyze their results. To have all of the judges have such diverse opinions, I wonder what they were all looking at to determine their scores.




MJayH1201 on Feb 24, 2007, 12:34 AM
Post #282
 
QUOTE(E @ Feb 23 2007, 10:03 PM) [snapback]387301[/snapback]
Well as we saw here, all three of the judges' daytime sheets were so different from one another. Linn-Mar had a #9, a #7, and a #1. Wash got some medium-to-low scores as well as a #1. Heck, we got a #2 as well as a couple middle scores. I would agree that especially in situations like that, judges' rankings should be used instead of points, so one judge doesn't in effect get a larger share of the outcome than the other judges.


The whole purpose of having points is to take off for things that aren't as good. It isn't meant to be for placement purposes until after the points are added together. That's why people get mad, because they think of it as being 1,7,9 when really it's just what that judge saw wasn't a perfect performance. It's based off opinion just like how certain athletic competitions like the olympics...you get a 9.2, 8.7, etc. It isn't oooh I got the highest score from this judge and 3rd from this one so I should get a silver medal. I prefer the points system, I think it is the most fair compared to rankings or olympic scoring. Cos I mean there would have been like 9 groups in finals at Great River, cos there were so many placements by judges in top 6. Plus rankings don't separate people from being ahead, like I'd rather have a 50 pt lead than a placement. That's just me though......



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