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 Show Choir Community > Events > 2016 Season > Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2016


Event Info


March 11th-12th, 2016

Venue Info

Wheaton Warrenville South High School
1993 Tiger Trail
Wheaton, IL 60189

Phone: (630) 784-7200

Event Details

No. of Attending Choirs:

  12 Mixed Groups
  6 Womens Groups
  7 Middle School Groups

Hosts:

  Wheaton Warrenville South "The Classics"
  Wheaton Warrenville South "Esprit"

Judges:

  Chad Alexander

  Heath Gemar

  Scott Hines

  Michael Engelhardt

  Susan Moninger

  Ly Wilder (Solo Competition)


Ticket Prices:

Saturday Competition All Access Pass: $20
Saturday Senior Citizens and Students with ID: $15
Children under 5 admitted free

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Wheaton Warrenville South Choral Classic 2016









Awards
Predictions
Photos
Event Site
Live Stream



Finals
 

Groups

 Sound Check
 Waubonsie Valley High School
Grand Champion 
Best Vocals 
Best Choreography 

 Powerhouse
 John Burroughs High School
First Runner Up 
Best Female Soloist (Faydean Kielty) 

 Entourage
 Naperville North High School
Second Runner Up 
Best Band 

 Ambassadors
 Carmel High School
3rd Runner Up 

 Flight
 Wheaton North High School
4th Runner Up 
Best Male Soloist (Sam Sohmer) 

 Riverside Company
 Hastings High School
5th Runner Up 


Mixed Division (Prelims)
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Womens Division
 

Groups

 Sound Sensations
 John Burroughs High School
First Place 
Best Vocals 
Best Choreography 

 Girls in Heels
 Waubonsie Valley High School
Second Place 

 High Heeled Harmony
 Naperville North High School
Third Place 

 Faces

 Crete-Monee High School
No Placement 

 Leading Ladies

 Rolling Meadows High School
No Placement 

 Ladies First

 John Hersey High School
No Placement 


Middle School Division
 

Groups

 Center Stage
 Arlington Heights Middle School
First Place 
Best Vocals 
Best Choreography 

 Shine!
 St. Michael Parish School
Second Place 
Best Female Soloist (Faydean Kielty) 

 Bryan Beat
 Bryan Middle School
Third Place 
Best Male Soloist (Sam Sohmer) 

 9th Street Connection
 Lincoln Middle School
4th Place 

 Girl Treble

 Hinsdale Middle School
No Placement 

 Encore

 Hinsdale Middle School
No Placement 

 Expressions

 Hubble Middle School
No Placement 


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Nicholas on Mar 27, 2016, 8:50 PM
Post #461
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QUOTE (kalcoh @ Mar 27 2016, 07:11 AM) *

Scott Hines did the same scoring a week later at Los Al. He just doesn't like West Coast style of show choir, based on his scoring.



I don't think that's necessarily evidence that Scott Hines doesn't care for West Coast style show choir (unless of course he's physically said this to you) - he scored everyone the same as Michael Orland at Los Al and was actually a lot closer in point totals than Michael.




kalcoh on Mar 27, 2016, 7:11 AM (Edited)
Post #460
 
Scott Hines did the same scoring a week later at Los Al. He just doesn't like West Coast style of show choir, based on his scoring.



alexgib05 on Mar 25, 2016, 6:02 PM
Post #459
+1


QUOTE (abe.martinez @ Mar 25 2016, 01:19 PM) *


Very confused about this as well. I'm thinking the tie was broken by taking the choreo scores from prelims but still the tie breaker should've been announced.


I only received total scores for the individual categories, not ranks, so perhaps the tie was broken by how many judges had Waubonsie in first in visuals compared to Carmel?? I've seen that be the tie breaker a couple of times over the years for captions, just a thought though.


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jdcritt on Mar 25, 2016, 6:01 PM
Post #458
 
The tie breaker also could've been the consensus rankings in choreography. Not saying it's fact, though.



abe.martinez on Mar 25, 2016, 1:19 PM
Post #457
+4


QUOTE (reevesps73 @ Mar 25 2016, 10:41 AM) *

I'm confused why the Best Choreo tie wasn't announced...



Very confused about this as well. I'm thinking the tie was broken by taking the choreo scores from prelims but still the tie breaker should've been announced.




36kap36 on Mar 25, 2016, 11:33 AM
Post #456
+3


QUOTE (JWill @ Mar 24 2016, 07:09 PM) *


Everything ever said on this website is someone's opinion. Whose opinion should I express?



Well, when you're being so matter-of-fact and sure of yourself, it comes off much less as an opinion, and much more as an attempted statement of fact.




reevesps73 on Mar 25, 2016, 10:41 AM
Post #455
+3
I'm confused why the Best Choreo tie wasn't announced...



alexgib05 on Mar 25, 2016, 12:54 AM
Post #454
+7


QUOTE (watchaa @ Mar 24 2016, 11:28 PM) *

Seeing Burroughs finals performance live I honestly have NO IDEA how a judge could have had them in 4th.......


Going off of this, seeing Burroughs' prelims performance live, I couldn't see how a judge could've had them in first in the day round




watchaa on Mar 24, 2016, 11:28 PM
Post #453
+2
Seeing Burroughs finals performance live I honestly have NO IDEA how a judge could have had them in 4th.......

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DJNYORK on Mar 24, 2016, 11:20 PM
Post #452
+5
Consensus is the same as Olympic ordinals. It just takes away point or rank swings so judges can judge how they see and hear it without worrying that they are changing the outcome of the competition by themselves and directors understand no one judge can swing the competition by themselves. Hopefully it leads to talk about the elements that lead to better shows and not about individuals.



Patrick on Mar 24, 2016, 8:35 PM
Post #451
+4


QUOTE (JWill @ Mar 24 2016, 07:09 PM) *


Everything ever said on this website is someone's opinion. Whose opinion should I express?



Mike Wazowski!




JWill on Mar 24, 2016, 7:09 PM
Post #450
 


QUOTE (36kap36 @ Mar 24 2016, 06:06 PM) *


And that is your opinion!



Everything ever said on this website is someone's opinion. Whose opinion should I express?




Get_Ready0203 on Mar 24, 2016, 6:09 PM
Post #449
+1


QUOTE (JWill @ Mar 24 2016, 05:51 PM) *


The final positions are based on the fact that 3 out of 5 judges had NN over Carmel. Fehr Fair is the best possible system. It makes each judges vote exactly equal. Some dislike it because it is harder to understand and apply, but it is the fairest system.



Not sure I'd agree it is the fairest system. It has it's pros and cons as does every system. I like that it does make everything equal and does simplify it (even though some do think it is harder to understand and apply). At the same time the score sheets and points would show that one group is better in every category, then that group should be rewarded as so regardless of what the judges think about the show itself.

Although I also understand that if you just take raw scores you could have a group that the judges may all agree is the second best group, but by fluctuations in scores that group could end up winning the competition.

I don't think there is a "fairest system", just different ways to look at it. No matter what each system will have its flaws. Like Brock stated, as long as the competition spells out exactly what system they are using and how it works then it is fine.




36kap36 on Mar 24, 2016, 6:06 PM
Post #448
+6


QUOTE (JWill @ Mar 24 2016, 05:51 PM) *


Fehr Fair is the best possible system. It makes each judges vote exactly equal.



And that is your opinion!




JWill on Mar 24, 2016, 5:51 PM
Post #447
 


QUOTE (jdcritt @ Mar 24 2016, 05:19 PM) *

I don't think I'm quite understanding how the Fehr Fair system works.



The final positions are based on the fact that 3 out of 5 judges had NN over Carmel. Fehr Fair is the best possible system. It makes each judges vote exactly equal. Some dislike it because it is harder to understand and apply, but it is the fairest system.




JWill on Mar 24, 2016, 5:46 PM
Post #446
 


QUOTE (36kap36 @ Mar 24 2016, 02:59 PM) *


Something doesn't seem right here...



The final positions are based on the fact that 3 out of 5 judges had NN over Carmel. Therefore the results are correct. the Rankings in the individual categories are for captions.


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jdcritt on Mar 24, 2016, 5:19 PM
Post #445
 
I don't think I'm quite understanding how the Fehr Fair system works.



derien on Mar 24, 2016, 4:44 PM
Post #444
 


QUOTE (bmkmusic @ Mar 24 2016, 03:48 PM) *

I think the most important thing is that competition to be transparent about which system(s) they are using and WWS absolutely was.



Exactly. The rules are clear and everyone attending knew them. I don't think that it's fair to say that the raw rankings are the "real results", because it discounts all of the hard work that so many people put into their sets (like NN).

In the end, show choir is about sharing music with people, and WWS was an incredible opportunity for so many talented schools to do so. I am super proud of how my group performed and all the other groups too; it was some of the best show choir I will probably ever see.


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bmkmusic on Mar 24, 2016, 3:48 PM
Post #443
+5
I've never been a huge fan of ranking systems myself - and we've had them work in our favor (WWS) and not in our favor (Danville, where we had the 2nd highest score, but got 3rd in ranks) this year alone.

I think every system has its flaws. I think the most important thing is that competition to be transparent about which system(s) they are using and WWS absolutely was. There were 8 pages in the director's handbook about which systems were being used in which rounds and an extremely detailed outline of how this consensus ranking system works.




Get_Ready0203 on Mar 24, 2016, 3:21 PM
Post #442
+1


QUOTE (36kap36 @ Mar 24 2016, 02:59 PM) *


Something doesn't seem right here...



It's the Fehr Fair system. It goes by consensus of which group got the most votes to be in a certain position. Using that Naperville got the most 3rd place votes, so they are the 3rd place group. I technically understand the logic, but not sure if I agree with it. I don't really like the ranking system in general and am I big proponent of just raw scores... but that is a different discussion for a different day.



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