QUOTE(Cody Mac @ Mar 6 2008, 08:35 PM) [snapback]425953[/snapback]
Tupelo kids, this post is probably going to upset you. Sorry in advance.
Because (albeit mostly inderectly) you just praised the mess out of your two groups, and trashed many others; then, you followed it all with
All groups have worked hard, and everyone felt that they deserved it. No school made finals because of who their choreographer is. The only group who had a big enough name to make finals on was Clinton, and we know that didn't happen (they were amazing, and eventually won the competition!).
I don't think women's groups should be admitted to finals, regardless of their score. It just doesn't make sense. It's not that they aren't talented performers (such as Sound Wave). Some of judges just tend to score women's groups solely against other women's groups, instead of doing so on overall performance and against mixed. Even in finals, it's just so hard to score them against a mixed group. It's not fair to them, or to the other finalists (and even non-finalists).
I honestly did not see how they outscored Homewood in finals (which seemed to be the general consensus throughout the auditorium).
as i recall, i said spain park and mt zion were amazing and that i loved their shows and that albertville was good too...how is that trashing people? and i am praising my two choirs because i know how hard we work. i'm not saying that others are bad. i don't know where you got that from. i was nice my whole post.. your the one trashing us.
QUOTE(Cody Mac @ Mar 7 2008, 11:02 AM) [snapback]426101[/snapback]
Indeed, SoundWave made finals; they had a very entertaining performance, especially when compared to other women's groups I've seen. Y'all are to be commended for making finals twice in the same season, at two pretty tough competitions. It's not that I'm trying to look down on you or your group, or saying that you don't belong in finals. I just don't think that it's fair, that's all.
As I said before, I just think it's too hard to judge groups against one another when there are such obvious differences between them. Often times, you'll see judges try to compensate for that concept by boosting/padding their scores little by little. Not saying this happened with SoundWave, but it's happened before.
It'd be great if a few schools around here started to have men's choirs in addition to women's and mixed. It would create much more complexity and competitiveness in the Single-Gender division. Then, there might be just reason to hold two separate finals competitions.
If there were two separate finals competitions, the layout could be:
*one for Single-Gender (maybe the top two or three Single-Gender groups in their own finals, with their own captions), and
*one for mixed (top four to six groups in their own finals, with their own captions).
Though I know that's far out of the ordinary, it's also becoming increasingly obvious that a change may soon be needed. show choir, at it's core, is about evolution, adaptation, and the ability to change. Each year, you must move with the times, trends, and vocal concepts, or simply be left behind. Maybe we soon will see some changes in the formats of competitions to accomodate something of this stature. Perhaps not to this dramatic of an extent, though.
Hopefully I can try thsi one day, as a director, with my own competition. Who knows.
I get what your saying, but you are telling us to adapt but aren't adapting yourself.
the minute that they called soundwave for finals, we were in competition with the rest of the mixed groups. It is unusual that a women's group makes finals, but we made it two weeks in a row which is pretty tough. honestly, there were groups that did deserve to be in finals that weren't, and we were pretty sad about it. we were, however, extremely proud of our performance, and we feel like we deserved every bit of what we got. but my point is is that we were judged on the exact same things that all the other mixed groups were in finals. so we weren't judged any easier. we placed what we did because of our performance, not because we were a women's group.
QUOTE(tupelo1 @ Mar 7 2008, 10:22 AM) [snapback]426055[/snapback]
no matter what people think....soundwave made finals. i mean we DID make it TWO weeks in a row...obviously, it happens and people need to accept it.
who knows?? it could happen again next year......
Indeed, SoundWave made finals; they had a very entertaining performance, especially when compared to other women's groups I've seen. Y'all are to be commended for making finals twice in the same season, at two pretty tough competitions. It's not that I'm trying to look down on you or your group, or saying that you don't belong in finals. I just don't think that it's fair, that's all.
As I said before, I just think it's too hard to judge groups against one another when there are such obvious differences between them. Often times, you'll see judges try to compensate for that concept by boosting/padding their scores little by little. Not saying this happened with SoundWave, but it's happened before.
It'd be great if a few schools around here started to have men's choirs in addition to women's and mixed. It would create much more complexity and competitiveness in the Single-Gender division. Then, there might be just reason to hold two separate finals competitions.
If there were two separate finals competitions, the layout could be:
*one for Single-Gender (maybe the top two or three Single-Gender groups in their own finals, with their own captions), and
*one for mixed (top four to six groups in their own finals, with their own captions).
Though I know that's far out of the ordinary, it's also becoming increasingly obvious that a change may soon be needed. show choir, at it's core, is about evolution, adaptation, and the ability to change. Each year, you must move with the times, trends, and vocal concepts, or simply be left behind. Maybe we soon will see some changes in the formats of competitions to accomodate something of this stature. Perhaps not to this dramatic of an extent, though.
Hopefully I can try thsi one day, as a director, with my own competition. Who knows.
QUOTE(Cody Mac @ Mar 6 2008, 10:35 PM) [snapback]425953[/snapback]
I don't think women's groups should be admitted to finals, regardless of their score. It just doesn't make sense. It's not that they aren't talented performers (such as Sound Wave). Some of judges just tend to score women's groups solely against other women's groups, instead of doing so on overall performance and against mixed. Even in finals, it's just so hard to score them against a mixed group. It's not fair to them, or to the other finalists (and even non-finalists).
Not because I'm from Homewood or anything, (I didn't see the girls group, but I'm sure they were great, and deserved what they got), but I have to agree with Cody. This is going to upset people, and I'm not quite sure how to word this, but:
I look at it as this: In football we were split into classifications. 1A-6A (6 in Alabama). From there, each team competed within their classification (some would go up 1 or down 1 for a non-region game, but those didn't really count), but when it all came down to it, the top 6A teams played for the 6A championships, the top 5A teams played for the 5A championships, and so on...
Where am I going with this? I think the same should apply with middle, womens, and mixed. (I personally haven't ever liked the whole idea of A-AA, but that's another story).
But here's the point of what I'm saying: 95% of 1A-4A teams can't ever compete with 5A-6A teams, so that's why they are in that smaller class (school size, etc.). However, there is the occasional team who can compete with the bigger schools, but they are in the other classification for a reason. Just because you win the 3A state championship, doesn't mean your not a good team in comparison with the 6A state champion, but it doesn't mean you should be 6A either.
Playing for Homewood, we were always stuck in 5A (when I was in school), and we would dominate 5A every year, but never get the chance to play against Hoover (the 6A champ every year, and #1 in the nation for a while), even though we were in the same state, and about 10 miles from each other. As much as I wanted to play them, we were split up for a reason. Some years, we probably could have beaten them, but when it came down to it, we were 5A, and we belonged in 5A. Now Homewood is 6A, and struggles to make the play-offs every year.
Groups are in different classes for a reason. There might be a better way of doing it than the classic way of classifying them, I don't know, I've never thought of it. This might not be a good analogy for some people, but this is how I see it. I think Tupelo should take pride in being the best women's group there is. But then I think the Mixed division should compete to see who the best there is, and that's it.
QUOTE(tupelo10 @ Mar 6 2008, 09:27 PM) [snapback]425913[/snapback]
why would't i be?
Tupelo kids, this post is probably going to upset you. Sorry in advance.
Because (albeit mostly inderectly) you just praised the mess out of your two groups, and trashed many others; then, you followed it all with
QUOTE(tupelo10 @ Mar 6 2008, 09:27 PM)
lets keep this all friendly because being rude gets nothing accomplished!!
All groups have worked hard, and everyone felt that they deserved it. No school made finals because of who their choreographer is. The only group who had a big enough name to make finals on was Clinton, and we know that didn't happen (they were amazing, and eventually won the competition!).
I don't think women's groups should be admitted to finals, regardless of their score. It just doesn't make sense. It's not that they aren't talented performers (such as Sound Wave). Some of judges just tend to score women's groups solely against other women's groups, instead of doing so on overall performance and against mixed. Even in finals, it's just so hard to score them against a mixed group. It's not fair to them, or to the other finalists (and even non-finalists).
I honestly did not see how they outscored Homewood in finals (which seemed to be the general consensus throughout the auditorium).
QUOTE(jonbucks32 @ Mar 6 2008, 10:07 PM) [snapback]425907[/snapback]
Someone needs to end this topic because all it has turned into is a bunch of people complaining and talking negatively about other groups. No offense, but please take the negativity some where else.
Someone needs to end this topic because all it has turned into is a bunch of people complaining and talking negatively about other groups. No offense, but please take the negativity some where else.
QUOTE(tupelo16 @ Mar 6 2008, 12:58 PM) [snapback]425798[/snapback]
ok hey y'all this is a soundwave girl. i just wanted to clear some things up. please don't hate on us because we made finals and we are good. we work just as hard or harder than the mixed groups because seriously we obviously must be good because it is so hard for a girls group to make finals and we just did it two weeks in a row. at tupelo we are a family. did you see how excited all the guys were for us... we even had a flag!! haha i just want to give a shout out to structure too because theywork so hard for us and are so amazing. they definately deserve a band award because without them we would not have as much energy as we do on stage. i definately think some people deserved to make finals that didn't but we did deserve it. i love show choir and hate it when people try to say soundwave is prep for wc.... cause people actually try out for soundwave and not for wc sometimes. I'm sick of the stigma that mixed groups are automatically better than girls groups becuase we just proved that wrong. oh and when you are trying to give critiques try to give critiques to sw too because we are just as good. SPAIN PARK AND MT ZION y'all are amazing!! i enjoyed y'alls shows SO MUCH! they were so creative and deserved some recognition. i'm sick of people makng finals because of their name. so annoying. ALBERTSVILLE y'all have great vocals!! although one of y'alls guys was really REALLY mean to me and some other girls. it kind of ruined the show for me but i will give it to y'all that y'all are good. i want people to appreciate the singing and dancing of show choir, not the names and choreographers. to clear it up...going into finals soundwave was in third albertsville first clinton second and homewood and southjones were below us. and i love my wave connection!! y'all worked so hard and deserved it!! but we deserved it just as much and love all of y'all!! thanks so much for the support in finals.....AMAZING COMPETITION in general. congrats to everybody. lets keep this all friendly because being rude gets nothing accomplished!!!
1. i totally agree with you . actually yall probably work harder than wc at times because looking back on both competitions in nashville and petal... i can CLEARLY see a dramatic improvement in yalls show . can't say the same about ours !
2. yeah , we were TOO CRUNK !
3. LOOOVVEEE structure...for sure !
4. most of the time people think that mixed groups are better than women's because they have an advantage with SATB . you can do a lot more with all 4 parts when it comes to vocals and you can also have more creative choreo . BUT sw is better than a lot of mixed groups that i've seen .
5. i didn't get to see these shows but i heard they were amazing . they obviously deserved to be in finals , along with WC !
6. i'm sick of that too ! i think every choir should get a fair shot and that doesn't happen all the time .
7. agree !
8. we love yall too and YES.. we SOOO deserved it BIG TIME !!!!!
QUOTE(tupelo16 @ Mar 6 2008, 02:58 PM) [snapback]425798[/snapback]
ok hey y'all this is a soundwave girl. i just wanted to clear some things up. please don't hate on us because we made finals and we are good. we work just as hard or harder than the mixed groups because seriously we obviously must be good because it is so hard for a girls group to make finals and we just did it two weeks in a row. at tupelo we are a family. did you see how excited all the guys were for us... we even had a flag!! haha i just want to give a shout out to structure too because theywork so hard for us and are so amazing. they definately deserve a band award because without them we would not have as much energy as we do on stage. i definately think some people deserved to make finals that didn't but we did deserve it. i love show choir and hate it when people try to say soundwave is prep for wc.... cause people actually try out for soundwave and not for wc sometimes. I'm sick of the stigma that mixed groups are automatically better than girls groups becuase we just proved that wrong. oh and when you are trying to give critiques try to give critiques to sw too because we are just as good. SPAIN PARK AND MT ZION y'all are amazing!! i enjoyed y'alls shows SO MUCH! they were so creative and deserved some recognition. i'm sick of people makng finals because of their name. so annoying. ALBERTSVILLE y'all have great vocals!! although one of y'alls guys was really REALLY mean to me and some other girls. it kind of ruined the show for me but i will give it to y'all that y'all are good. i want people to appreciate the singing and dancing of show choir, not the names and choreographers. to clear it up...going into finals soundwave was in third albertsville first clinton second and homewood and southjones were below us. and i love my wave connection!! y'all worked so hard and deserved it!! but we deserved it just as much and love all of y'all!! thanks so much for the support in finals.....AMAZING COMPETITION in general. congrats to everybody. lets keep this all friendly because being rude gets nothing accomplished!!!
ok hey y'all this is a soundwave girl. i just wanted to clear some things up. please don't hate on us because we made finals and we are good. we work just as hard or harder than the mixed groups because seriously we obviously must be good because it is so hard for a girls group to make finals and we just did it two weeks in a row. at tupelo we are a family. did you see how excited all the guys were for us... we even had a flag!! haha i just want to give a shout out to structure too because theywork so hard for us and are so amazing. they definately deserve a band award because without them we would not have as much energy as we do on stage. i definately think some people deserved to make finals that didn't but we did deserve it. i love show choir and hate it when people try to say soundwave is prep for wc.... cause people actually try out for soundwave and not for wc sometimes. I'm sick of the stigma that mixed groups are automatically better than girls groups becuase we just proved that wrong. oh and when you are trying to give critiques try to give critiques to sw too because we are just as good. SPAIN PARK AND MT ZION y'all are amazing!! i enjoyed y'alls shows SO MUCH! they were so creative and deserved some recognition. i'm sick of people makng finals because of their name. so annoying. ALBERTSVILLE y'all have great vocals!! although one of y'alls guys was really REALLY mean to me and some other girls. it kind of ruined the show for me but i will give it to y'all that y'all are good. i want people to appreciate the singing and dancing of show choir, not the names and choreographers. to clear it up...going into finals soundwave was in third albertsville first clinton second and homewood and southjones were below us. and i love my wave connection!! y'all worked so hard and deserved it!! but we deserved it just as much and love all of y'all!! thanks so much for the support in finals.....AMAZING COMPETITION in general. congrats to everybody. lets keep this all friendly because being rude gets nothing accomplished!!!
- Tupelo10
QUOTE(tidalrave2007 @ Mar 3 2008, 07:42 PM) [snapback]424979[/snapback]
so petal was amazing!
i was already in a bad mood when i arrived but the AA division cheered me right up. i'm so blown away by everyone's performances. i'm from picayune and we only have eleven people in our whole choir. i actually think we have more crew than we do performers. lol. anyways, i'm from illinois and move here in the summer of 2006. Mt. Zion reminded me of what i grew up knowing show choir to be. i loved you guys. best in my opinoin. spain park was also beastly. definately my two favorites. Tupelo is just some plain fun people! we sat next to them at finals while the girls were about to go on cheering and doing the wave. haha. FIRE IT UP TUPELO FIRE IT UP... HEY! that made my night. Albertville were super nice. i talked ot a few girls from there and i loved the black parade closer.however, i do believe that a few groups were shorted out of finals. attache was good but from what i've heard they've been way better. i've never seen attache back in the day so i can't form an opinion there. fianls was good, but i enjoyed watching prelims better.
i hope to see everyone sometime again! next weekend... west jones!
did you possibly meet two girls who randomly sat down in front of you in the cafeteria?
haha. that would be me and my friend meg! (I would be the one acting like an idiot trying to get service on my cell phone?)
it was so nice to meet you!! hopefully we'll get to see each other again!!
So yeah I just walked in the door because I've been in NYC since Sunday and I missed everything... My first question is how on earth a women's group made finals at this competition... Are they the goddess women's group of show choir or something? And secondly, why on Earth were the Mt. Zion Swingsations not in Finals? They are incredible... I'm very confused as to how Homewood and Tupelo women beat Mt. Zion, Spain Park, Pascagoula, and Tupelo mixed... 4 outstanding groups were behind 2 groups who I thought would not come close to making finals... Something must have changed since I've seen all of these groups, but I'm really having a hard time believing this...
However, I'm EXTREMELY proud of my Albertville friends... They finally got the placement they deserved... And huge congrats on beating Clinton in prelims... I thought that Albertville has been the 3rd best Southern group all year long behind Enterprise and Clinton, and I hate that I missed seeing this competition... Congrats to Clinton on winning and all the other finalists for making finals... We got our butts kicked in Indianapolis (even though we were 2nd in Visuals and won Best Costumes) and I'm sure I would've had a much better time watching the exciting groups from the South and Mt. Zion last Saturday... I'll see some of these groups this weekend, and to the others, good luck in the future...
QUOTE(leahbee @ Mar 4 2008, 05:41 PM) [snapback]425308[/snapback]
okay i feel like i should apologize to anyone who has felt the negative vibes from any tupelo people. really, we're nice people! it's just human nature to get defensive when we feel like we are being attacked. anyways, regardless of the outcome.. we are no longer bitter (at least i'm not) and it's over and it was fun and i am not ready for show choir to be over!! that is all.
i totally agree with you ! tupelo ARE really NICE and we love each and every show choir ! but you have to remember... everybody is human ! however , there is never a need to be negative towards anyone ! congrats to everybody who competed this past weekend in petal ! it was a great experience and i had fun performing !
okay i feel like i should apologize to anyone who has felt the negative vibes from any tupelo people. really, we're nice people! it's just human nature to get defensive when we feel like we are being attacked. anyways, regardless of the outcome.. we are no longer bitter (at least i'm not) and it's over and it was fun and i am not ready for show choir to be over!! that is all.
Does anyone know the name of the video company who made the videos Saturday? I never got a chance to order a video and I'd like to. Thanks in advance for any help!!
I couldn't ever get an answer from this number. It gave a weird busy signal every time. I'm sure many people are wanting a DVD, but it was a weird signal.
Is there possibly another number or a website for this company?
Petal Show Choir Invitational 2008
